He really started to feel their wrath. ". No one asked any embarrassing questions, you know-. What's it gonna be? I'm sure the teenagers loved it. It brought together two different groups, those American scientists who were opposed to the civil rights movement, and who wanted to emphasize the inferiority of Blacks, and European scientists who were still promoting the kind of racial hygiene that had been at the core of the policies instituted by the Third Reich. I was the only one really putting together these strands because I was reading the racist newspapers. Lisa:No. MSNBC canceled Phil Donahues talkshow after an internal memo (leaked to the All Your TV website, 2/25/03) argued that he would be a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war. Lisa:What is this, Wheel of Fortune? Rigo:No, not at all. Quote, "On two points, I put The Thunderbolt ahead of much of the American press. This We're not making progress here. You know, the only thing I had was the fact that I was able to articulate a context, and a vision that nobody else really had. Lisa:So they really do move underground. The user assumes responsibility for obtaining permission from the copyright holder to publish or distribute this image. Phillipe Rushton on Donohue:Oriental populations have less sexual partners than do whites. Rigo:And this is perhaps the greatest achievement of The Pioneer Fund, is by keeping the race science flame alive, there is an intellectual continuity for people like Sam Harris, and they don't have to start from scratch. He's even polished when he starts talking about things like sex. WebDonahue is joined by the cast of "The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of The Desert", as well as the Family Research Institute's founder, Paul Cameron, and drag performer CoCo He's unorthodox, and he points out how Rushton's ideas are kind of ridiculous. Rigo:That guy went on to become the world's largest publisher of neo Nazi material in Canada. Lisa:So this is kind of a David and Goliath situation, Guggenheim Fellow versus academic underdog. I want my name to be associated with my work. And I couldn't give a flying any longer and to the administration and no limit of an administrator is going to tell me how to teach my classes because I'm a tenured professor. Rigo:Yeah, and he got cover stories in the New York Times magazine, Newsweek, and The New Republic. Phil Donahue Show was my favourite! Uploaded by He doesn't actually stay to fight the war with the Nazis, but he brags about his military tourism. Um, Literally rides on a Nazi tank, into the city of Bilbao, uh, at the time when Franco's army is laying seeds to the place, uh, only a few weeks after the infamous bombing of the, of the city of Akaka in the Basque region. Uploaded by He explains how his journey took him from announcing television news at KYW in Cleveland, Ohio, to working in a bank in Albuquerque, New Mexico, to directing radio news in Adrian, Michigan. Rigo:Why do you think that is? I have a position at Ferris State University. James E. Woods Don Grady (of "My Three Sons") composed the theme song for the Donahue show. And apparently Draper was also kind of shy. They decided that Jensen and Shockley should work together, and throughout that partnership, Jensen's ideas change. I can't imagine how Barry Mehler feels watching this all explode and then kind of die down and become less controversial again. This is one of the most liberal institutions in the country, so when he suggested intelligence was inherited, people got a little ruffled, but that's not a firable offense in itself, right? Rigo:By keeping the race science flame alive, they created a foundation for the current wave of race scientists to build on. For example, when I went on the shows, you know, the audience was overwhelmingly on my side. Format Moving Image. It doesn't care if it's good science, certainly, and you don't have to be the most productive academic in the world to get money from them. Those are the people who are the pioneers. Rigo: So I had a chance to Barry Mehler recently, and I asked him about the appearance on Phil Donahue three decades ago. Rigo:They're successful in keeping their names out of the press, and no one ties the race science they fund to them. The name calling incident was a rude awakening, but things would unfortunately get worse from there. WebPhil Donahue Show Date Created 1981-03-24 Summary Telecommunications Discussion Former owner MCI Communications Corporation Originator Luce Press Clippings Subject Television programsTelecommunications industry, MCI Communications CorporationLuce Press ClippingsAT & T (Firm), Manuscripts and Archives Department, Hagley Museum and Library, MCI Communications Corporation records (Accession 2225). Rigo:And method number two is hide the funding source. Richard Lynn was the editor of the Mankind Quarterly at this time. Rigo:Orthodox Jewish men and boys wear a kippah, or a skullcap every day. He accuses Mehler of character assassination, bias, and of being a left wing nut. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. It's from an interview he did in Playboy Magazine. WebAn icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. on December 8, 2022, There are no reviews yet. The real scientists. Published through Distillations, the Science History Institutes highly acclaimed digital content platform, the project examines the scientific origins of support for racist theories, practices, and policies. Barry:I really got under their skin. There's like, an intellectual continuity, so that theory Mehler had as a 13 year old boy, that the Nazis didn't just suddenly disappear, he was right. Various episodes of theThe Phil Donahue Show (1976 - 1992). The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Its run was They weren't seeing the things that Barry was seeing, so Mehler goes down the rabbit hole of white supremacist literature, and what he finds shocks him even more. The American Breed: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fundby Paul Lombardo, The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fundby William Tucker, The New Eugenics: Academic Racism in the U.S. Todayby Barry Mehler, Superior: The Return of Race Scienceby Angela Saini. Lisa:Hi, Rigo. Rigo:One of the things that I really appreciate is how he pivots from being funny to serious very quickly, like the humor gets people's attention, and then he sneaks in some truth. Rigo:And Laughlin was on that wave length. Well, the idea of eugenics is basically a belief that the human race could or should be quote, unquote, "improved" by selective breeding. Rigo:Okay. One is that they were enormously important to the racists because they legitimated their views, and especially after World War II, when the Nazis had been defeated, you had very little support for these kinds of ideas. Jensen on Donahue:The, the white population of the United States score is higher on all kinds of mental tests, not just IQ tests, but every kind of mental test. Lisa:Oh, right. Lisa:Let me guess the angle here. Let's switch gears and talk about the bearded guy on the right, who has amazing muttonchops. Commercials were cut during the broadcast. Rigo:Yeah, and it claimed that Black people were a threat to civilization, and that they should be repatriated back to Africa. Barry:I took the racists seriously and I listened directly to them, and what I would simply do is, um, I would join. Rigo:Mehler not only sent out his subscriptions, but he was also a due paying member of white supremacist organizations. However, Phil's life changed after meeting Marlo Thomas on his talk show. Unless otherwise noted, this file is provided for educational and research purposes only. So where does all of this start? on September 9, 2018. Rigo:When Barry Mehler said guys like Philippe Rushton aren't just Neo Nazis, they're old fashioned Nazis, he was serious. By downloading this file you agree to our access conditions and use restrictions. Rigo:Yeah. He is among the most influential talk show hosts whose fans have nicknamed king of daytime talk.He was in 1996 ranked #42 on TV Guides 50 Greatest TV Stars of All Time. When you do research, funded research, you're kind of beholden to your funder in certain ways, right? What Pearson had done was he brought together all of these fascist intellectuals, academics that had been orphaned by the war, and they needed a place to come together. Lisa:The quote that everyone remembers from that trial is when Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough." Rigo:In 1961, he co founded a journal called the Mankind Quarterly, and guess who's funding the journal? Barry:One of the things that Roger Pearson writes about me in his chapter, The Strange Case of Barry Mehler, was that I mail out my stuff in envelopes and I sent them around surreptitiously to all kinds of people, which is, of course, not true. He was an avowed racist, and pretty public about it. Rigo:Exactly, and he liked what they were doing with eugenics, and that admiration was actually mutual. So, method one is fund scientists who agree with their eugenics world view. Andhe said, I don't understand. And so you know where his head's at. 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Rigo:Exactly. Rigo:One of the people to receive the most money from Draper and the Pioneer Fund was the founder of the Mankind Quarterly, Roger Pearson. He travels to Spain. Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. He ran the Phil Donahue show for almost 3 decades with nearly 7000 one-hour daily shows. And that's one of the things that The Pioneer Fund was able to do was to create outlets so that they could publish, they could review each other, they could support each other, and they could create this sense that this is a legitimate academic enterprise when, in fact, in the legitimate academic world, nobody was even aware that they existed. Bill:And this was the first instance of what became Draper's trademark, um, maneuver throughout the rest of his life. Barry:One day walking on the street, it was a beautiful spring day, and I was daydreaming, and unbeknownst to me, two boys run up behind me, and one of them just punched me in the back, sent me flying, you know, stars, and, you know, and then, then they run on. But with the emergence of Shockley, they had a mainstream scientist on their team now, and they funded him lavishly from the quote, unquote, "Throne in New York" As they called Wickliffe Draper's house. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. If there was one drop of quote, "negro blood" then you were automatically a negro. Barry:Jerry Hirsch sued Roger Pearson, so we were able to get a deposition under oath, and I prepared a list for Jerry's attorney to simply ask, uh, Pearson, "Have you published under this name, this name, this name, this name?" Barry:The word pioneer has a real meaning to these people. This episode examines a much more overt kind of scientific racism: by telling the story of a racist, wealthy, underground confederacythat has funded nearly every race scientist out there. Rigo:[laughs] Yeah. Barry:At the time, we had been getting a lot of death threats, and so And by the way, I wouldn't go to the police. They understood that tides were turning but they weren't ready to go away. This is vile and viscous racist anti Semitic stuff, and he finds news there that he doesn't get anywhere else. Lisa:This is that method one you mentioned, right? The Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Foundation Presents. Lisa:It's also stunning to me that when Barry Mehler investigates The Pioneer Fund in the 1980s, they're still pushing the exact same ideas, and the exact same framing as they were in 1937. And, um, my son picked up the phone one day, and this, uh, guy said to him, um, "I'm gonna kill you, chop you up into pieces, and mail you back to your dad in boxes.". But unfortunately for Mehler, this was not the end of it. I would imagine that some opinions are changing as the war drags on. I think it's important to acknowledge that what they're gonna say is intellectually dishonest, and therefor it doesn't provide a better understanding of them or their ideas. Second, it sometimes publishes valid news that I don't find elsewhere." Rigo:Even though his work was only in left leaning publications, the TV appearances were a big platform for Mehler to refute their ideas, but he says that might have been for nothing. In fact, he spent his whole career going after people like Rushton, poking holes at their arguments, trying to get people to see them for what they really are, racist scientists. I mean, that's some classic, "Oh, at least these guys tell it how it is." Keepers of the Flameis Episode 3ofInnate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race,a podcast and magazine project that explores the historical roots and persistent legacies of racism in American science and medicine. Roger Pearson, for example, had at least a dozen names that he used, and Barry Mehler and his mentor, Jerry Hirsch, help uncover the deception. He originally thought any difference in intelligence Black and white people were from environmental factors, but after working with Shockley, Jensen started arguing that intelligence was inherited. Rigo: The Spanish Civil War was used by the Nazi's as a military testing ground and Draper wanted to be part of it. And since these race scientists all knew each other, the journal became kind of like an echo chamber, and they all praised and cited each other's work to give it the veneer of legitimate science. After the publishing of The Bell Curve, and the controversy surrounding it, The Pioneer Fund decided to step out of the spotlight and continue doing the things they knew how to do well since 1937, which was to mail out unsolicited propaganda to prominent scientists and politicians. This is an episode from the spring of 1990. Rigo: Now, Rushton tries to avoid mentioning the crux of the argument, but Donahue kind of does a translation. He and I were both reading The Thunderbolt, right? Innate Themecomposed by Jonathan Pfeffer. Rigo:Yeah, and in fact the Pioneer Fund was very pro-active in finding these race scientists. The publication of the book put The Pioneer Fund and Barry Mehler on the spotlight. The more citations, the more funding, the more chances to become tenured. Rigo:To polite society, it looked like professor's doing some perhaps questionable work on the side, but nothing that would warrant negative attention, but most people weren't really reading The Thunderbolt. Eventually, the popularity of this approach proved to be his downfall, Read all. So up until now, we've been talking about the neo Nazi propaganda that Barry Mehler gets in the mail, but what does he actually do with all the information he's collecting? Rigo:So he actually publishes a lot, and one of the things he published was an article in a Nazi magazine. Rigo:Barry Mehler is 75 years old now, and he's retired from teaching. But if you want to go complain to your Dean, you go ahead. When I looked at that, I said, "Here, finally, is a Nazi I don't have to worry about. I, Issue 2 (May, 1991) Twenty Minutes (August, 1991) WebIn his four-and-a-half hour Archive interview, Phil Donahue describes the meandering path that led to hosting his long-running talk show, The Phil Donahue Show aka Donahue. Lisa:I appreciate how clearly Barry Mehler gets to the heart of the issue. So here is a guy who's wiling to take a stand for racism, and the Pioneer was willing to give him anything to help him spread that news. Barry Mehler on Donohue:I gave a press conference and he came to hear me and I gave a paper and afterwards we sat down for a cup of coffee together and he said, Barry, you made some excellent points, but this Neo Nazi business, I mean, I know these people, you talking about stand up guys. And I said, Phil, you're in a stand up. And actually, they found ours a bit too strict. The guy on the left is Philippe Rushton. All together, he received about a million dollars. 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That's what it was all about, they wanted to resurrect their movement to come after my son. The pioneer fund has been the key source of funding for the last 20 years of scientists who have produced the material. Barry:They're the ones who are winning. And so, they always had first, a, a sense of assurity that they were right, and also a sense of urgency, the same sense of urgency that I felt. Rigo:Right. Angela:If, you know, the basis of the study of human difference for a couple of hundred years has been that race is real, you don't let go of it overnight, and so of course they didn't let go of it, uh Of it overnight. One were actual scientists working on projects that Pioneer though w- would have results that could be exploited for their political agenda. Some are big name academics at big name universities. Rigo: This is a clip of the film itself translated in English. He has been married to Marlo Thomas since May 21, 1980. There are no reviews yet. And the thing he had to hide were 17citations that came from a little known journal called the Mankind Quarterly. Paul: And then writes about it in an, a newspaper article that is syndicated and sent to a number of places around the country. It was as if one person had finally realized what was going on, and he was sending out the warning signal. Expressing frustration over teaching in person during the pandemic of viewers sent me the video upset about the language, but a couple of Ferris state students stand by mailer. Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.ia.mp4, Donahue. TELEVISION ACADEMY and ACADEMY OF TELEVISION ARTS & SCIENCES are registered trademarks of ATAS. Rigo:No. Lisa:So real science as a shield for junk science, got it. News archive:Some of the ideas found in the book, the bell curve are not new. Library & Archives Newsletter. Donahue:So what you mean a bigger brain means a smarter person, Phillipe Rushton on Donohueslightly so yes, on average. Rigo:In the end, he did not get sued for libel, but he did remain a thorn in the side of The Pioneer Fund. Do you want to know what else was in Barry Mehler's mailbox? I mean the first thing that comes to mind for me is The Bell Curve by Charles Murray, which was huge. He openly endorsed it. Phil Donahue reminisces about the most nerve-racking episode of The Phil Donahue Show.New videos every afternoon at 3pm Monday-Friday!Subscribe To Marlo Play all Senior Producer: Mariel Carr Barry:We had DEFCON levels at my house, levels of security. That's the question is, uh, who is funding Philippe Rushton? Then I, I trust you believe there are others. They also share the same funding source. The Hagley Digital Archives provides online access to selected items from the Hagley Library's collection of images, documents, and publications related to the history of business, technology, and society. She says that this is something anthropologists have been saying for years, that the category of race itself wasn't a real scientific category but race scientists weren't ready to let it go. It was clear that the anti Semitism was everywhere about me. Is he the psychologist whose work is cited in The Bell Curve? It is around this time in the early 1970s that something happened that could have been the end of The Pioneer Fund. And on the other hand were the political people who did the actual exploiting. He wants us to mention that he has throat cancer, and that his voice is strained. It's the Phil Donahue Show, one of the '90s most watched talk shows. Rigo:So, clearly method three achieved the desired effect, to find powerful like minded racists. Germany modeled its involuntary sterilization laws on ours. 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Bill:He went on then to become the editor of a publication called The New Patriot. You might get something, but raise that up to 25 million to a really public place where i- it's the same thing as w- wearing the kippah. ", And in a number of cases, it wasn't even money for the research, it was just money for the individuals, gifts, large gifts of personal checks to the people who carry on this research. Rigo:Yeah. What is this about? Jensen's vague ideas about intelligence being inherited were explicitly connected to the growing neo Nazi movement. Rigo:So just to give you an update on what Mehler's been up to recently, I asked him about some hot water he got into, and I'll play you some tape. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, but he soon started pushing the envelope by discussing health and social topics previously Read allThe precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. 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